This is based off an article from Grist.org written by David Roberts.
So as some of you may not know, and I didn't until I read this article, there are two new stories coming out about climate change. No this is not the old debate about whether or not climate change is really happening between scientists and politicians, but rather the two different visions about what we can expect in the future. They don't fit very well though so let's do what we do to all things that don't match up together... pit them against each other and see who wins! So without further ado lets get on with the show!
IN THIS CORNER: SCIENCE!
Now in the corner of science we have something that I am sure no one wants to see... the calm collected group of geniuses we call scientists more and more panicked with every new story that comes in. With this new information it is being predicted that there is a real (if extremely difficult to quantify ) risk of civilization-threatening scenarios kind of like a bad SyFy original movie. The standard line among "climate hawks" (which I am assuming is a term for people who harp constantly about what we need to do to save the enviroment) is that science recommends that developed world countries an "80% reduction of greenhouse gases by 2050"; globally the goal is 50% by 2050. But even that high amount could be severly underestimated as it is based off the last IPCC which is by all accounts is "woefully conservative" especially when compared to the uniform grim nature of the science since that report came out. For the U.S. to get back to the ambitious target of 350 ppm (parts-per-million) of carbon in the atmosphere the U.S. would have to build the following EVERY YEAR until 2050 according to the IEA (Internationial Enviromental Agency):"... 35 coal-fired and 20 gas-fired power plants with carbon capture and storage; 30 nuclear power plants; 12,000 on shore wind turbines paired with 3,600 offshore ones; 45 geothermal plants; 325 million square meters-worth of photovoltaics; and 55 solar-thermal power plants. That doesn't even include the need to build electric cars and hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in order to shift transportation away from burning gasoline." ...wow that is alot and that would cost the U.S. a very pretty penny. Probably a 1843 double headed lincoln penny made out of gold and uranium to be precise. Yeah according to the article that would be the equialent of "America's massive industrial build-up for WWII only across the entire globe for 40 years straight (at least) against a faceless enemy." So yeah my brain hurts from trying to cacluate the cost of that, how about yours. So...should we do it? Is such a massive shift "worth it"? Heh...funny you should ask.
IN THIS CORNER: ECONOMICS!
Economists are the arbiters of "worth it" these days, so how do they figure it out? Well the short answer is that they build charts and models that are informed thought various assumptions about the range of damages expected from climate change, the range of costs expected from avoiding climate change, and the rate of economic growth. The general idea is to find the the perfect balance between spending on adaption and the cost of potential damages so we don't overpay to fix it and we don't underpay to fix it. The analogy the writer uses is probably the best I can think of; he says that economists are "...like Goldilocks, economists seek a course of action that's just right: the most economically efficent course. For this discussion the fact of the matter is that virtually every model that shows human growth depending on what the climate does all have two things in common. One; they show human beings getting richer over the next century regardless of what the climate does. The range of scenarios goes from much-richer-very-quickly to... somewhat-less-richer-more-slowly, depending on what numbers or assumptions are plugged in. Two; None of them show human progress just hitting a plateau (with no drop at all, no matter how miniscule) much less falling of some kind of a cliff. According to the article, a well-known british economist named Frank Ackerman has noted that even with what is classified as the extreme worst case scenario (a 35 percent reduction in income below baseline) the world would only be about eight times richer by 2200. So, according to economists, the worst thing policymakers risk by doing nothing to fix climate change is somewhat slower economic growth. So one way or another, we're getting richer. This is a perfect example of what the foundational faith of modern economics is. It is a faith in human adaptability and ingenuity. What that basiclly means is that every chart is based on the belief that humans can master ANY circumstance over time. Because of this you will never find a model with a Jared Diamond- or James Lovelock-style apocalypse. Instead our future generations will be much wealthier and thus be better able to cope with the problem.
So how do we put these two stories together? Is climate change truly an existential threat -- an immediate dnage and a small but growing risk of total or near total collapse of society? Or is it creeping change to which humans need to make a carefully thoughout and economically oprimised response as it continues to grow? How do we fit these two versions of the same story together in our head? And more importantly what, with these tow totally different visions, should we do?
AND THE WINNER IS...
Of course economists would tell you that they have already done the work of fitting these two visions together for you. That's what the models are meant to do. The damages of potential climate change are already built in and the results don't look like a catastrophe because, dammit, Man Will Overcome. Anyway that's what the models will tell you. But if you talk to the economists themselves, well, they are not quite as gung ho. Fpr one they themselves admit that the models are not very good at incorporating large short-term shocks. The "long-tail" possibilities in climate science -- the low-probability, high-impact stuff like iceshelves collapsing or thermohaline circulation shutting down -- completely borks the models. You start seeing wild sings in model projections based on those small adjustments and the models in essence start saying "hell if I know!" When economist run into these limitations of their models they tend to heed the Wittgensteinian injuction: Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent, which in laymans terms means "You don't know, so don't say anything!" They don't feel comfortable making policy recommendations without solid modeling to back it up. Giving counseling in the face of such gigantics and unquantifiable risk starts to feel less like a science and more like an excercise in politics or ethincs. Heaven forbid. Unfortunately that allows economists whose model tells a nice little story of slowly rising costs, smoothl offset bu a slowly rising carbon tax. The message: don't panic. That message is all too welcome in the halls of power where they are looking for any excuse to sit back and do nothing. The final statement is a rather good metaphor for what is happening. "We are stumbling around in the dark, in an area where scientists tell us some very, very nasty beasties dwell. In that situation, it sems to me the overwhelming bias should be toward action -- getting lean, mean, and nimble enough to handle ourselves no matter what slouches our way."
OPINION
For my part I agree with the author listen to the scientists information and not the economists chart. We are treading in some very dangerous water and if we don't do something now to at least slow down this increase, we will probably learn the hard way that the scientists were right, the economists were wrong, and we are not getting rich any time soon.
QUESTIONS
1) What side are you on? Economists or Scientists? Why?
2) What do you think the effects will be of climate change?
3) What would you do to try and at least slow down the climate change?
4) Do you think that man will overcome?
Opinion/Reflection:
ReplyDeleteI personally feel that global climate change is a very crucial issue currently facing our society today. If temperatures get too warm, animals like wolverines won’t be able to survive anymore because their bodies have adapted to the cold weather, and they will begin to die out. Global climate change can mess seriously with the food chain, and sometimes affect entire ecosystems. I think that something definitely needs to be done about it. However, I don’t think that we should start out with such drastic changes that would put people out of work just to fix global climate change. There needs to be a happy medium in between.
I think that there are a couple of reasons why trying to fix global climate change will make people lose their jobs. First off, doing any sort of environmentally friendly act is costly. Some factories won’t have enough money to modernize and do more eco-friendly things, like cutting down on emission. In cases like this, workers will lose their jobs, for the factories won’t have enough money to modernize and still pay their employees. Another scenario is that the factory just won’t have enough money in general, in which case it will close, and all the workers lose their jobs.
While scientists are saying that doing things to prevent global climate change from getting worse is absolutely necessary, economists insist that the whole situation isn’t that bad, and people are over reacting. Economists believe that humans will actually get richer, in fact, if they don’t do anything to help the cause of global climate change. I feel that this is a very irrational explanation, though, because if the climate keeps increasing, different animal species will be affected, and entire ecosystems will be messed up. This will then impact people, so I don’t see how economists can just shrug off global climate change as no big deal.
I think that a medium needs to be met between both causes, so that global climate change isn’t as drastic and people don’t lose their jobs from all their company’s money being spent on environmentally friendly changes.
While it isn’t everyday that I hear about the global climate change issue, I still know that it is a serious issue that will come back to haunt humans in the long run if nothing is done about it.
(my comment is broken into two parts because it wouldn't let me submit it all at once)
Answer the questions:
ReplyDelete#1: I would have to say that I am more so on the side of the scientists. While I feel that we shouldn’t do all the things the scientists said (because that would cost an extremely large sum of money and people would lose their jobs, as pointed out by the economists), I do think that some change needs to be made, even if it is just little baby steps. After all, it’s the little things that will pay off in the long run. I personally feel that the global climate issue needs to be addressed, but smaller steps must be taken and the new eco-friendly standards for factories and companies to meet need to be lower. It’s just not possible to reach the numbers that people have been setting. And as the famous saying goes, “You can’t accomplish the world in one day,” we can't fix the global climate change issue instantly, the changes must take place over a long period of time.
#2: An effect I think that climate change will have is disrupting ecosystems. As pointed out in an earlier example, organisms’ bodies have adapted over time to the climate they’re living in. For instance, wolverines have a heavy coat of fur to keep the warm and know how to survive in the bitterly cold temperatures. However, if the climate increases, then all the adaptations the organism has made will be useless, and probably more of a hassle than anything else. These species will then die out, and the food chain will be affected. An example of this is the wolverines’ prey animal population increasing, because the wolverines won’t be feeding on them anymore, and the wolverines’ predator animal population decreasing, because they won’t have their source of food any longer. So on and so forth will continue on throughout the chain, and entire ecosystems will be disrupted. Eventually, humans will be impacted, too.
Ask more questions:
1) Why do you think the standards for factories and companies to reduce their harmful environmental impact are being made so high? (The numbers so high that it is literally impossible to reach them)
2) Do you think either side is being unreasonable with the issue? Which one? Why?
3) Which side do you think society will take, and if you believe it’s the scientist side, how soon do you think will these changes be implemented?
4) Do you believe a happy medium between both sides can be reached? If so, what is it?
Opinion
ReplyDeleteThis was an interesting article. It really makes you think about both sides of the coin (no pun intended). I never really thought about what the other side thought, just that they were, "bad." I guess I have the media to blame for that.
1) I'm with the scientists. Our top priority should NOT be to make a few extra bucks, because if the environment goes to hell in a hand-basket then none of that matters.
2) I think climate change will start an economic ripple effect if left unattended. Imagine you're a tribal goat herder. Say your goats become extinct. Now you have no source of revenue. Now you and the other goat herders can't pay income tax to your government. So now your government has to cut back its budget, which may cause more unemployment. Then as more species across the country die out, even MORE people are out of a job. So the government is shut down, and now that country can't trade with other countries. Say that country exported steel. Now every steel business in every country that depended on that first country for steel goes belly-up. And the problem just repeats itself across the globe.
3) I would do my best to reduce my carbon footprint and elect environmentalists to Congress once I turn 18.
4) Man will overcome, IF we don't make stupid choices. The future isn't set in stone, only ancient history is :)
Questions of my Own:
1) If society were to take the economists' point of view, would we ever want to change back to the scientists' side?
2) Which side do you think will be viewed as being on the "right side of history?"
3) Looking back to the numbers in the beginning of the scientists' argument, do you think that even if we take the scientists' stance as a society, we can still achieve a healthy level of CO2 gas?
4) Again, thinking about those numbers, do you think working internationally through the U.N. to help get a global network of "green" nations going would be a good idea? That data said that the U.S. would have to do all that alone, but what if everyone pitched in? Thinking about the economics and all the money exchanges needed, is it worth borrowing more money from/giving out more money to other countries and increasing the debt to save the environment?
While your the article and your summary was interesting, I don't like how the article suggests that the only two philosophies are the environment over all else, or economics over all else. I believe that compromise is possible. And any good businessman knows that image is everything, and eco-friendly is very good for a product or brand's reputation.
ReplyDelete1)Probably, as public opinion seems to go through cycles, especially generational ones. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss-Howe_generational_theory for more information). The events that happened as a result of the previous generation's attitude towards economics and the environment would affect the following generation's, and the effects of their attitude would affect the next's, etc.
2) History tends to get self-righteous and condescending, so probably the environmental side.
3) I believe it's probable, but is it feasible? I just don't think we would get the world to co-operate. Most Western nations (excluding a number of those silly Euros, who really get it) are too unwilling to give up some small luxuries in order for a far better future for our planet. And most developing countries seem to be unwilling to take any sort of measures to protect the environment at the cost of their economic development. Which, while at times is understandable, is the wrong stance to take. If we don't take action to, they won't have a world to develop in.
4) It would never work if only one country tried to stop climate change. But measures taken by the UN so far seem largely ineffective.
Some further questions:
Why are climate change issues always so polarizing?
Is there no "middle-ground" approach to climate change?
What are some ways to reward businesses for being more environmentally-friendly?